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In this series, we share our gorilla research and care activities with you through the following features:

  1) Caregiver Corner (what it's like to interact and communicate with gorillas Koko, Ndume and Michael)
  2) Research Revelations (what we're learning through interspecies communication and what it means for humanity)


prepared by our staff under the supervision of Dr. Penny Patterson, Director of Research. (Journal PhotoBlog Archive)

Conversation with Koko: Browsing for Hats March 16, 2005

Dr. Francine "Penny" Patterson has a Ph.D. in Developmental Psychology from Stanford. She is President and Research Director of The Gorilla Foundation, and a Member of the Board of ApeNet - a consortium of foundations supporting the welfare of great apes through interspecies communication. She is also the Editor-in-Chief of "Gorilla, the journal of The Gorilla Foundation/Koko.org." "Penny's Journal" provides insight into her facinating relationship with Koko and a way to share with us her experiences as Koko lives, learns and communicates

"The differences between humans and gorillas are greatly overshadowed by what we have in common — and by communicating with them, we can learn as much about our own true nature as theirs." Penny Patterson
Koko relaxing in her outside yard
The following conversation took place between Koko and a volunteer, who happened to be walking by Koko's outside yard to empty the compost bin, when she was asked an impromptu question by Koko. It is reported by the volunteer:


On Saturday, February 12, 2005 I had an impromptu conversation with Koko that she initiated no less!

I was going outside to empty the compost bin around 11:30 am, and Koko was outside and she did her attention noise, which is a kissy lip smacking sound. I turned towards her and she signed

          Koko: “that browse that”
Koko signs“browse” (a sign she invented) by,signing the letter “s”
at her brow.

where browse means the leafy green vegetables that she eats, like lettuce and kale and stuff. I signed back:

           Volunteer: “no, not browse, trash, not good food”

then she hunched her arms back in front of her in her lap with a heavy sigh. It was funny, like "oh, darn."

She then signed something that I didn't understand, a sign where she rubs her finger across her lip one time, and then she tapped the top of her head. I knew I had seen the lip thing before but that it was a gorilla sign, not an ASL sign. But I couldn't remember it. The head tap means “hat.” So, I'm standing there trying to understand what she said, and I finally just signed

          Volunteer: “I don't understand.

She repeated the signs but started with pointing at me, then did the lip rub in one direction then the hat. Then I got it! The previous week, I had been wearing my Guatemala hat. Very colorful. And the “lip” sign is her sign for “woman.” So Koko had signed:

          Koko: “you, woman, hat.”

I signed back:

          Volunteer: “Yes! Last week I had a hat, right! This week I not have.”

Then I signed that I had to go throw the trash away.

That was sooooooo coool! She initiated the conversation and she remembered me! How cool is that!!!!!


Stay tuned for more interspecies communication journal highlights from the perspective of Gorilla Foundation caregivers and researchers in “Penny’s Team Journal.”


Please email us at research_feedback@koko.org if you have any questions, or would like to share an observation or insight about the preceding interspecies conversations. Your feedback can inform our research and is a vital part of our mission.

Thank you,
Dr. Francine Penny Patterson


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